Re: Rear Wheel Speed Sensor Failure Investigation
Keith Taylor
I got mine...but I have already had to change both of mine.. So now I called MB dealership and wrote letter trying to get reimbursed . KT
On Sat, Feb 27, 2021, 7:21 PM Jerry Knowles <knowlesjv087@...> wrote:
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Re: Rear Wheel Speed Sensor Failure Investigation
Michael Powers
I received my recall notice but when I contacted my service center they hadn’t been notified of the recall on my unit yet. They won’t do anything with the recall until MB notifies them or updates it in their computer system. Mike 17 NV
On Feb 27, 2021, at 5:21 PM, Jerry Knowles <knowlesjv087@...> wrote:
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Re: Rear Wheel Speed Sensor Failure Investigation
I see that the notice was sent to consumers on FEB 22. Haven’t received mine. Want to take mine to Mercedes here in Tucson before heading home to the Seattle area.
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On Feb 27, 2021, at 2:44 PM, Jimbo 2016 VG Victor,NY via groups.io <rvjimbo@...> wrote:
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Re: Texas Freeze
Ron
Each area blends their winter diesel to not gel at the expected lowest temps. I guess that was way below expected.
Ron 16J
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Re: Rear Wheel Speed Sensor Failure Investigation
Jimbo 2016 VG Victor,NY
I did not either.
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On Saturday, February 27, 2021, 12:44 AM, stenor via groups.io <stenor@...> wrote:
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Re: Reliability 2006 Navion on 2005 Sprinter Body Drivetrain
Jake
The others here have given you good advice and called out the known weak points on these units. Also it's important to separate the Sprinter vs. the house part of the rig. Sounds like you're concerned about the Sprinter part. I recommend joining the sprinter forums (https://sprinter-source.com) and focus on the T1N models' chatter there. I have learned so much.
My 07H (on an 06 chassis) has been generally reliable. I bought it April 2018 at 38k miles and today, almost 3 years later, it't at 87k miles, meaning I've put 39K on it in the last 3 years. The first year (10k) not towing, then towing a 2000 lb Samurai. I'm full time and oscillate between driving a lot and staying still a lot (but even if I'm working a 6-month gig, I still pack it up and drive it every 2-4 weeks to exercise it, fill propane, etc.) Very reliable. I've blown a few turbo resonators and replaced with the aluminum turbo resonator eliminator. The turbo hoses do blow and leave you stranded; I carry spares and change them as needed, others change them at 30k. Only unexpected break I had was, I just now changed my in-tank low-pressure fuel pump, as it was becoming noisy and eventually putting me in limp mode with P0087 Low Rail Pressure codes. I do have a random electrical issue somewhere between the door switch, dash board, and dome light, where sometimes those things just come on at night for no reason--I need to chase down bad ground somewhere, but it hasn't become a priority to me in the 3 years it's been doing it. I keep a spare fuel filter onboard in case of a water event. A shop found a percentage of water in my brake fluid and changed it out (the "exceptional bleed" process), ironically right after I had it changed during a B service. I have since chosen not to care and just don't drive downhill anymore, only uphill. I changed my transmission fluid (including torque converter) at 60k and 85k, and will probably do it again tomorrow just for fun. I occasionally look for Black Death signs around the injectors. I'm not an experienced mechanic, but I have a brain and I've managed to do most of my own service on my vehicles when possible--reading books and forums, googling things, and watching YouTube videos brings me up to speed on various issues and arms me to fix things myself or talk intelligently with a shop. I expect the transmission to die someday since they all do, so I keep an extra $5,000 in the bank for that and when it happens I will probably order a replacement SilverStar transmission (supposedly rebuilt to overcome the weak points) or have mine rebuilt, depending on my trust with whatever shop I die near. When I get scared about a new noise, I consult Doktor A in SC, a famous Sprinter mechanic. I also paid him for a full day of routine service and inspections, with him letting me participate at every step, and with him talking about everything I need to know. (For example, did you know that idler pulleys are not supposed to spin forever in your hand? That means they're dry and about to die. If their bearings are properly lubed, there should be some resistance!) I would trust this thing to take me to Alaska and back many more times. It is way more reliable than the newer units with their DEF troubles and wheel speed sensor issues. Every time I think about upgrading to another unit, I think how I just wouldn't trust anything else as much as I trust this rig. Soooooooo...... I would say fix what needs to be fixed, keep an eye out for known common problems and be prepared to deal with them, but know that in general you likely have a reliable vehicle that just needs a few things addressed before you can feel like you can trust it completely. This forum, the FB group, and the Sprinter forums are full of great people that are always ready to help. Jake -- Jake 2007 Navion 23H Towing 1987 Samurai tintop
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Hellwig Swaybar
Just a heads up for anyone who has installed a Hellwig (#7254) rear swaybar. I installed mine on our 2010 Navion about 20k miles back. The other day while doing inspections underneath I noticed one of the brackets had fatigued and broken. I emailed Hellwig and they were quick to respond. They say they no longer ship the sway bar with brackets and instead reuse the OEM brackets. Unfortunately I discarded mine recently in a cleanup. They are sending me replacements and the new bushing in case I find another OEM set. So if you still have your OEM brackets and bolts hang on to them for replacements.
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Re: Reliability 2006 Navion on 2005 Sprinter Body Drivetrain
Glenn Franco
Thanks for the information on the ABS problem. The question I have is did the ABS lamp come on yellow or red and did it set a code? limited top speed has been a real issue on this other sprinter. Now it's an intermittent problem but it has not set an ABS code. Glenn
On Sat, Feb 27, 2021 at 7:01 AM bike_for_life2003 <guzowskip@...> wrote:
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Re: Reliability 2006 Navion on 2005 Sprinter Body Drivetrain
Glenn Franco
Thanks Dennis I'm over in the villages, FL I agree with your thoughts on the unit being stored. Glenn
On Fri, Feb 26, 2021 at 7:56 PM Denis Druker <denisdruker@...> wrote:
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Re: Reliability 2006 Navion on 2005 Sprinter Body Drivetrain
bike_for_life2003
Glenn, Congratulations on your 06H ... we love ours which we bought three years ago with 76K miles on the clock and had a bumper-to-bumper check by the M-B dealer including new brakes and transmission service in conjunction with the 80K service. I won't bore you or others here will all the fixes/mods we have made since then... Send me a PM if you want a more detailed description. Regarding intermittent issues, they are indeed vexing. When I flew jets in the Air Force, one of the things I hated to see in the aircraft forms before flight was a write-up for a problem and the maintenance folks had signed it off with the dreaded "CND" (could not duplicate)... As for not being able to go over 55 mph, we had a similar problem during a trip to two funerals last October. It turned out to be a failing ABS controller but we didn't know it at the time. There was a lot of wind and I thought our ability to get over 60 mph was related to that.... In retrospect it wasn't. About 15 miles from our planned first night's stop the CEL illuminated with no performance degradation or other indications... INITIALLY. Before I could to a rest area or off ramp to investigate one by one all lights on the dash related to brakes, etc. illuminated... what we pilots call "Christmas Tree".... First job.. maintain vehicle control... Second, analyze the situation and take corrective action... Third, land as soon as conditions permit. Another catch-phrase in the aviation world is "Aviate, Navigate, Communicate"... The View started and ran normally at idle and moving out of the campground but it would not shift above 2nd gear. I drove 13 miles to the dealer at 40 mph and high RPM... not fun on the interstate but I wasn't familiar with the area so had to follow the GPS steering. Turned out the ABS controller had apparently failed (electronically) because the dealer's cosmic analysis tools showed no communication between the ABS controller and the ECU (engine control unit). Turns out that without wheel speed inputs through the ABS controller, the transmission control unit (TCU) and ECU revert to survival mode. We needed a new ABS controller and the dealer did not have one on hand but found one at the M-B depot in Jacksonville which they ordered for overnight delivery. We spent an unexpected night in a hotel but next morning the new controller was installed, brakes were bled, and we were on our way. This was the only major issue we have had in 25K miles with this View or 25K with our previous RV, 99 Rialta. We have a very comprehensive roadside assistance program so rest easy that we would be well cared for if we broke down... though that hasn't happened yet. As an aside, I did find out that the failed ABS controller can be rebuilt for much less than we paid for the new one. I may choose to do that to have a spare but am leaning toward donating it to a tech who does lots of work and may be able to save a customer some big bucks. I'm not a huge fan of preemptive transmission replacement but we are doing a complete motor front-end overhaul (new Bosch alternator, hoses, water pump, turbo resonator, pulleys, serpentine belt, etc) plus transmission/torque converter and differential service in the next couple of weeks. We just hit 100K miles so this should reset the clock for the next 100K, eh? Bottom Line: We have had superb service from our 06 View (don't tow or travel overweight) and expect it to give us many more happy miles down the road. Keeping to the M-B schedule for maintenance rather than waiting till something is broken to fix it is key.... The military and all fleet owners know this very well...
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Re: Rear Wheel Speed Sensor Failure Investigation
stenor
Did anyone get their recall notice this week? I did not. Steve N 2019 24G previously 2006 23H Sent from my Galaxy
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Re: Sold my '16 "V" model
airauxcoastie
We had a '06 View H that was replaced by a 25' travel trailer so that we could take three of our grandchildren on adventures. The TT has a deep (38") dinette slide, bunk beds, and a queen size Murphy bed that was very livable for monthlong excursions with the grandkids. We never could have done that in the View.
As a side note, we found the View to be a reliable unit with no major repairs needed. It was traded in 2015 with 64K miles.
Ray in S.E. Michigan
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Re: Reliability 2006 Navion on 2005 Sprinter Body Drivetrain
Denis Druker
I bought a 2008 model H with 18000 miles 7 years ago. We spend the winters in Florida in it. Drive it on a fall trip to the southeast. Have crossed the Rockys three times. Over 80000 miles now as I write this message from Inverness FL. The converter is
the only item that has failed. My theory is that if these things are not used they will give you especially electrical problems. -- same as a boat or a car. If you buy one with extensive storage time - beware.
Denis
08 View H
Salem WI
Denis
Paddock Lake, WI
From: discussion@view-naviontech.groups.io <discussion@view-naviontech.groups.io> on behalf of Don Phillipe <donphillipe@...>
Sent: Friday, February 26, 2021 6:25:41 PM To: discussion@view-naviontech.groups.io <discussion@view-naviontech.groups.io> Subject: Re: [view-naviontech] Reliability 2006 Navion on 2005 Sprinter Body Drivetrain On Fri, Feb 26, 2021 at 03:09 PM, David Harper wrote:
now that I have mine sorted mostlyIf I didn't make that clear, I would literally fight someone over mine and if one day it goes over a cliff and I'm still alive to tell it, I'll be scouring the Internet as soon as I get out of the hospital to find another model just exactly like it. I wouldn't have a new one if you gave it to me though (DPF, DEF, et. al.) and if you gifted me a new one I'd sell it and if something was wrong with this one, I'd buy another one exactly like I had before. -- Don - 2006 Navion J
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Re: Reliability 2006 Navion on 2005 Sprinter Body Drivetrain
On Fri, Feb 26, 2021 at 03:09 PM, David Harper wrote:
now that I have mine sorted mostlyIf I didn't make that clear, I would literally fight someone over mine and if one day it goes over a cliff and I'm still alive to tell it, I'll be scouring the Internet as soon as I get out of the hospital to find another model just exactly like it. I wouldn't have a new one if you gave it to me though (DPF, DEF, et. al.) and if you gifted me a new one I'd sell it and if something was wrong with this one, I'd buy another one exactly like I had before. -- Don - 2006 Navion J
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Re: Reliability 2006 Navion on 2005 Sprinter Body Drivetrain
Glenn Franco
Don I Agee whole heart atidlee! Glenn
On Fri, Feb 26, 2021, 4:26 PM Don Phillipe <donphillipe@...> wrote: Still all the pattern analysis in the world as well as onsite unlimited root cause analysis won't solve an intermittent failure "always". You have to diagnose those when the function is failing. That's why on a mainframe computer when it encounters a series of intermittent errors, PD most of the time is resolved by swapping a duplicate board from one section of the machine to another, as that intermittent failure then shows up in the error logs as being in another location if the failing component was properly identified. (If there is no duplicate board in the machine, then the company parts house is hit for a trial of a new board.) Shot gun and guessing are sometimes all that is available to a service person for intermittent electrical problems. It's tough for anyone, even with a crystal ball to out-smart random failures. And just like the computer repairman who has a company parts house at his disposal, it's easiest for the mechanic working at a dealership repairing his own vehicle because he keeps "sapping until he drops" using his parts house as a resource. Your situation, however is that you must "buy a new component with each new trial until you drop" if you encounter an intermittent.
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Re: Reliability 2006 Navion on 2005 Sprinter Body Drivetrain
I definitely would not buy another one, but now that I have mine sorted mostly, I really like the way it drives. I've added a lot ot things and changed a lot of things. Most important is suspension. I've had many of the same issues as others on the forum, but I've been able to do most of the repairs and upgrades myself. When it is over my head, I have a good RV shop in my town that has helped out. I'm hoping to keep it running for a few more years. Most of my travel is short trips and east coast. I do not tow. It has been a love-hate relationship, but right now, I love it! I'm retired now, so my time is my own. If I were still working, I might not be so willing to deal with the problems, but at this point, it gives me something to do!
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On Feb 26, 2021, at 5:00 PM, younglr98 via groups.io <younglr98=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
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Re: Reliability 2006 Navion on 2005 Sprinter Body Drivetrain
On Fri, Feb 26, 2021 at 02:07 PM, Lee Haefele wrote:
The boost solenoid normal useThe environment though has aborted normalcy when the alternator stops functioning. Without regard to design, electrons flow from the higher voltage resource to the lower voltage resource and in this scenario with a generator running it becomes the house converter voltage of the converter flowing over to the lower potential or voltage level now (abnormal condition) found on the chassis battery. So I think it just gets into semantics regarding if something was designed or not for a particular purpose or it just coincidentally works in a previously unfathomable manner. To reiterate, I ran for a month with my alternator out and didn't even know it. I do have a hefty solar panel array and I don't drive at night. I don't know what you call it when something not functioning as designed switches over to providing some undocumented benefit. My best guess though is "lucky". -- Don - 2006 Navion J
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Re: Texas Freeze
hikerbuddy01
Changed the fuel filter. That didn't help. Taking the RV to Dodge on Wednesday.
-- Bob '08NH TX
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Re: Which Scan Tool?
bike_for_life2003
Not surprised the AP200 won't trigger off the Vehicle Identification Number (VIN) number... Aahh, alliteration eh? Most of these gadgets like our Bosch 1050 only allow one "free" registration. I will probably purchase the SRS and ABS functions if I need them some day. In the meantime, I'm loving our Nautabox for real time read outs including TFT!
----------------------- Paul and Christine 06 View 23H in NW FL
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Re: Reliability 2006 Navion on 2005 Sprinter Body Drivetrain
Lee Haefele
This statement needs clarification to match the problem Glenn is having. It is correct with a functioning alternator, but with a disabled alternator, the boost solenoid is the only source/connection of chassis battery charging from the RV converter, by running the genset. Note, battery switch by door must be toggled to ON. The emergency workaround charging then routes from the converter, through the solenoid, to the chassis battery. “The boost solenoid has nothing to do with keeping the engine battery charged. The boost solenoid normal use is to keep your house battery charged. It can be used to provide more electrical starting power in the event your engine battery is low. But this condition should not be normal”Lee Haefele
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