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Winterization valves 1 and 3

stenor
 

Hi all,

I apologize that my questions are not technical in nature, but I sure do appreciate your responses.

Regarding winterization, are valves 1 and 3 only used when winterizing with RV antifreeze? They aren't easy to get to and it would simplify things if I didn't have to reach them (I don't winterize with antifreeze).

Thanks,

Steve
2019 Navion 24G
previously 2006 23H
Re: Left Turn signal message

Jerry Knowles
 

Hi Len,
I did find the detached wire and reconnected it. That was the problem with my turn signal.
Many thanks for your help.
Jerry K 18 J


On Nov 24, 2020, at 5:24 AM, Leonard R Casella <lenc75@...> wrote:

Have you done anything under the passenger seat recently?  There are load resistors under the passenger seat for the turn signals.  If wire came off one of those you will get rapid flash.  It's not an issue with the turn signal housing.
--
Len 12NJ Krumsville, Pa

moderated Re: Visible Phone service

David Harper
 

Thanks for the tip. Had not noticed that feature 


On Nov 24, 2020, at 10:44 PM, Bob via groups.io <nw8r@...> wrote:

More people need to try the
“Mute this topic”   feature.
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It works well!

Bob 18G



On Nov 24, 2020, at 22:28, Bob Skirvin <carpetbob52@...> wrote:


Please, just shoot me. Can we get over this and get on with our lives. You're right, we get it. How about tire choices? Bob 06VH 

On Tue, Nov 24, 2020, 6:11 PM lesdiane <lesdiane@...> wrote:
I agree with you that folks should not be using these forums to promote a personally owned business. However, if you are referring to my post, it does not apply.

I am one of three other View/Navio owners (none of which I personally know) who have formed a group for the purposes of getting a good deal on an unlimited data phone plan (which we do now own or have any financial interest other than as customers). The requirement for the discount is forming a group (don't ask me why). There is one spot open in the group of four. If only one person in the plan, one pays $40/mo. Two people - price drops to $35. Three people - $30. 4 people $25. So I thought I was doing a service to fellow V/N owners by letting interested parties know.

BTW, there are many many posts on this forum about ways to get internet service while on the road. My post was one of them.
Cheers,
16VM WA

moderated Re: Visible Phone service

Bob
 

More people need to try the
“Mute this topic”   feature.


It works well!

Bob 18G



On Nov 24, 2020, at 22:28, Bob Skirvin <carpetbob52@...> wrote:


Please, just shoot me. Can we get over this and get on with our lives. You're right, we get it. How about tire choices? Bob 06VH 

On Tue, Nov 24, 2020, 6:11 PM lesdiane <lesdiane@...> wrote:
I agree with you that folks should not be using these forums to promote a personally owned business. However, if you are referring to my post, it does not apply.

I am one of three other View/Navio owners (none of which I personally know) who have formed a group for the purposes of getting a good deal on an unlimited data phone plan (which we do now own or have any financial interest other than as customers). The requirement for the discount is forming a group (don't ask me why). There is one spot open in the group of four. If only one person in the plan, one pays $40/mo. Two people - price drops to $35. Three people - $30. 4 people $25. So I thought I was doing a service to fellow V/N owners by letting interested parties know.

BTW, there are many many posts on this forum about ways to get internet service while on the road. My post was one of them.
Cheers,
16VM WA

moderated Re: Visible Phone service

Bob Skirvin
 

Please, just shoot me. Can we get over this and get on with our lives. You're right, we get it. How about tire choices? Bob 06VH 


On Tue, Nov 24, 2020, 6:11 PM lesdiane <lesdiane@...> wrote:
I agree with you that folks should not be using these forums to promote a personally owned business. However, if you are referring to my post, it does not apply.

I am one of three other View/Navio owners (none of which I personally know) who have formed a group for the purposes of getting a good deal on an unlimited data phone plan (which we do now own or have any financial interest other than as customers). The requirement for the discount is forming a group (don't ask me why). There is one spot open in the group of four. If only one person in the plan, one pays $40/mo. Two people - price drops to $35. Three people - $30. 4 people $25. So I thought I was doing a service to fellow V/N owners by letting interested parties know.

BTW, there are many many posts on this forum about ways to get internet service while on the road. My post was one of them.
Cheers,
16VM WA

moderated Re: Visible Phone service

lesdiane
 

I agree with you that folks should not be using these forums to promote a personally owned business. However, if you are referring to my post, it does not apply.

I am one of three other View/Navio owners (none of which I personally know) who have formed a group for the purposes of getting a good deal on an unlimited data phone plan (which we do now own or have any financial interest other than as customers). The requirement for the discount is forming a group (don't ask me why). There is one spot open in the group of four. If only one person in the plan, one pays $40/mo. Two people - price drops to $35. Three people - $30. 4 people $25. So I thought I was doing a service to fellow V/N owners by letting interested parties know.

BTW, there are many many posts on this forum about ways to get internet service while on the road. My post was one of them.
Cheers,
16VM WA
moderated Re: Visible Phone service

bike_for_life2003
 

Greetings All and Happy Thanksgiving....

I speak many languages other than English so am sensitive to nuances between them.  That said, the etiquette rules for this forum are posted in the files section. 

IMO reaching out to others on this site with information regarding good service or great deals on products we all use is one thing.  Same goes for advertising one's personal RV for sale or a pointer to a great deal on one... That said, any kind of business marketing is not appropriate, IMO... though I cannot cite chapter and verse from the rules.... using these forums to promote a personally owned business is not right.  That said... off my soap box.

Happy Trails,
-----------------------
Paul and Christine
06 View 23H in NW FL
Re: Double sided 3 M tape for mounting solar panels

bike_for_life2003
 

Eternabond?
 
-----------------------
Paul and Christine
06 View 23H in NW FL
Re: Window Shade

Harry Olthoff
 

Txs Jake.  Your directions are so complete that I am sure you could teach us how to replace those aching parts of aging bodies 👏🏽


On Nov 24, 2020, at 11:14 AM, Jake via groups.io <jakehoster@...> wrote:

My contribution to future readers.  This is what worked for me to tighten up the springs in the rollup coach door window shade.

  • From inside coach, remove the shade from the door as described above (remove 4 plastic nubbins with tiny sharp screwdriver, gouging the heck out of them in the process; remove the 4 sheetmetal screws behind them).
  • Move the blind to the kitchen counter and lay it down with the inside side facing up.  Meaning the white side of the blind is up, the black side down. Allow excess unrolled blind to dangle toward the floor.  May hold the blind by the end brackets and apply inward pressure so that one or both of them don't pop off the end.
  • At this point the LEFT end bracket (on my 07H anyway) popped off easily and exposed the flattened tab of the metal springy axle thingy.  
    • Looking into the end bracket, I can clearly see the flat slot where I'll later insert the tab.
  • Pull axle and blind assembly out of the headrail housing by sliding it out to the left
    • At this point I notice that the right-side end is not a metal flattened tab like the left side.  It's a round plastic rod.  I don't understand it but it works.
    • I also notice that while holding the removed axle and blind assembly, if I pull the left axle tab outward (to the left) a little I can hear the spring release inside.  If I push it back in, the releasing stops.  This teaches me that after I adjust the tension, I'll want to be sure the left side axle end is pushed in (to the right) somewhat to maintain tension.
  • While out of the housing, I roll up the blind so it's perfectly even side-to-side and insert it back into the headrail housing.  Now I'm not fighting the gravity of overhanging blind.
  • Pull out the left-side axle tab just enough to do the next steps.
  • To wind up the spring a bit and increase tension, others have chosen to use pliers.  This seems boring to me and I'm only one person with two hands, so instead, I:
  • Using my power drill, I clamp the drill's jaws down (lightly) on the flattened tab end of the axle, on the left.  Not too tight--don't want to damage the flat tab.  I clamp the drill just on the tab end, so like just 1/4" deep.  This leaves me room on the axle rod (between the end of the rod and the edge of the blind) to later apply pliers
    • Make sure drill direction is in righty-tighty mode.
  • Pull trigger on drill and watch it wind up the axle a bit.  
    • (I just did a few rotations at first to avoid over-tightening and breaking the spring.  Turns out this was perfect for me.  So just start small and come back if you need to tighten more.)
    • I did this with the drill "sideways" meaning lying on the counter.  This kept the axle close to the counter so I could lay everything down with the drill still clamped to the blind when I need to free up my hands for the next step.
  • Gently lock vice grips around the axle in the little space I had left between the drill and the blind.  Remove drill.
  • Since the end tab of the axle is exposed, finagle end bracket slot onto the axle tab.  This will prevent axle from unwinding when you remove vice grips.
  • Remove vice grips as I push the end bracket and blind inward (to the right), essentially reassembling the blind.  Kinda have to work it a bit so that the round axle on the right side of the blind goes into its home in the right side end cap, which you can't see.
  • Make sure left end cap locks into the headrail (you can see the outward dimples that will lock it into place)
  • While in hand, test blind.  Mine worked perfectly the first time!  Otherwise, I'd just pull off the left end bracket and rotate the axle a bit more with the drill.
  • Assemble blind onto door.  Test again.  Enjoy life.
In retrospect, I wish I had taken a video recording to share.  :(
--
Jake
2007 Navion 23H
Towing 1987 Samurai tintop

Re: Window Shade

Jake
 

My contribution to future readers.  This is what worked for me to tighten up the springs in the rollup coach door window shade.

  • From inside coach, remove the shade from the door as described above (remove 4 plastic nubbins with tiny sharp screwdriver, gouging the heck out of them in the process; remove the 4 sheetmetal screws behind them).
  • Move the blind to the kitchen counter and lay it down with the inside side facing up.  Meaning the white side of the blind is up, the black side down. Allow excess unrolled blind to dangle toward the floor.  May hold the blind by the end brackets and apply inward pressure so that one or both of them don't pop off the end.
  • At this point the LEFT end bracket (on my 07H anyway) popped off easily and exposed the flattened tab of the metal springy axle thingy.  
    • Looking into the end bracket, I can clearly see the flat slot where I'll later insert the tab.
  • Pull axle and blind assembly out of the headrail housing by sliding it out to the left
    • At this point I notice that the right-side end is not a metal flattened tab like the left side.  It's a round plastic rod.  I don't understand it but it works.
    • I also notice that while holding the removed axle and blind assembly, if I pull the left axle tab outward (to the left) a little I can hear the spring release inside.  If I push it back in, the releasing stops.  This teaches me that after I adjust the tension, I'll want to be sure the left side axle end is pushed in (to the right) somewhat to maintain tension.
  • While out of the housing, I roll up the blind so it's perfectly even side-to-side and insert it back into the headrail housing.  Now I'm not fighting the gravity of overhanging blind.
  • Pull out the left-side axle tab just enough to do the next steps.
  • To wind up the spring a bit and increase tension, others have chosen to use pliers.  This seems boring to me and I'm only one person with two hands, so instead, I:
  • Using my power drill, I clamp the drill's jaws down (lightly) on the flattened tab end of the axle, on the left.  Not too tight--don't want to damage the flat tab.  I clamp the drill just on the tab end, so like just 1/4" deep.  This leaves me room on the axle rod (between the end of the rod and the edge of the blind) to later apply pliers
    • Make sure drill direction is in righty-tighty mode.
  • Pull trigger on drill and watch it wind up the axle a bit.  
    • (I just did a few rotations at first to avoid over-tightening and breaking the spring.  Turns out this was perfect for me.  So just start small and come back if you need to tighten more.)
    • I did this with the drill "sideways" meaning lying on the counter.  This kept the axle close to the counter so I could lay everything down with the drill still clamped to the blind when I need to free up my hands for the next step.
  • Gently lock vice grips around the axle in the little space I had left between the drill and the blind.  Remove drill.
  • Since the end tab of the axle is exposed, finagle end bracket slot onto the axle tab.  This will prevent axle from unwinding when you remove vice grips.
  • Remove vice grips as I push the end bracket and blind inward (to the right), essentially reassembling the blind.  Kinda have to work it a bit so that the round axle on the right side of the blind goes into its home in the right side end cap, which you can't see.
  • Make sure left end cap locks into the headrail (you can see the outward dimples that will lock it into place)
  • While in hand, test blind.  Mine worked perfectly the first time!  Otherwise, I'd just pull off the left end bracket and rotate the axle a bit more with the drill.
  • Assemble blind onto door.  Test again.  Enjoy life.
In retrospect, I wish I had taken a video recording to share.  :(
--
Jake
2007 Navion 23H
Towing 1987 Samurai tintop
Re: Left Turn signal message

Leonard R Casella
 

Have you done anything under the passenger seat recently?  There are load resistors under the passenger seat for the turn signals.  If wire came off one of those you will get rapid flash.  It's not an issue with the turn signal housing.
--
Len 12NJ Krumsville, Pa
moderated Re: Visible Phone service

sstadler19
 

I'm not going to respond what I think it is an invalid question. I'll merely site the differences in language  and tone of this email and the last one. Seems like you took a lot more time to be cordial, informational, and collegial. Just stay on this note and we will all benefit.  I will now officially move on from this thread.
Scott
O8H
   

On 11/23/2020 3:29 PM lesdiane <lesdiane@...> wrote:
 
 
And people should be a little more careful and considerate before calling a post inappropriate. Especially when no foundation for the claim is provided. This is a friendly group and this kind of thing is a blight on the over-all mood. If I feel the need to "correct" someone, I will choose to do it in a diplomatic manner, not make baseless claims that set an unfriendly tone. 
Please consider that what I posted is entirely appropriate for this group - especially for those who are frustrated with trying to get internet access while travelling. 
The post was informational, not commercial.  Have a nice day and stay safe.

moderated Re: Visible Phone service

lesdiane
 

And people should be a little more careful and considerate before calling a post inappropriate. Especially when no foundation for the claim is provided. This is a friendly group and this kind of thing is a blight on the over-all mood. If I feel the need to "correct" someone, I will choose to do it in a diplomatic manner, not make baseless claims that set an unfriendly tone. 
Please consider that what I posted is entirely appropriate for this group - especially for those who are frustrated with trying to get internet access while travelling. 
The post was informational, not commercial.  Have a nice day and stay safe.
moderated Re: Visible Phone service

lesdiane
 

If you are referring to my post (the original), how is it "extremely" (or otherwise) inappropriate?
moderated Re: Visible Phone service

David Harper
 

The SprinterSource Forum is a great place to look for these kind of things, and has all sorts of groups with specific interests.  Might be a good place for this kind of commerce.  

DHH

2008 VJ

On Nov 23, 2020, at 2:58 PM, waydigs <diggsmail44@...> wrote:

I agree with Scott.   There are many other forums if I want to "go shopping---debate---argue---or what ever." with somebody.
Wayne '16 "V" in Ca.
moderated Re: Visible Phone service

waydigs
 

I agree with Scott.   There are many other forums if I want to "go shopping---debate---argue---or what ever." with somebody.
Wayne '16 "V" in Ca.
moderated Re: Visible Phone service

sstadler19
 

Subject matter aside I find your post extremely inappropriate as we have always used reasonable tones in discussing different points of view.  Your post borders on vulgar and merely shouting. Not suitable for a technical discussion, and if we all follow down your road the group would evolve into a vulgar shouting match and become useless to us all. Either side of a discussion should be  collegial, relaying facts,  and making us all feel good how about our group.  No matter what the outcome. 
Scott
08H
 

On 11/23/2020 7:25 AM lesdiane <lesdiane@...> wrote:
 
 
 You have to be kidding, right? 
I do not work for Visible, Verizon, or any other phone company. How the hell is my post inappropriate?
If I said, "hey folks there is a deal on NAPA oil if we can get 4 people to sign up. Anyone interested?", would that be OK?
I was sharing something that hundreds of View/Navion folks have been talking about for a few years now.

But, then again, you may know more about the rules of this group, so please straighten me out and show me where you think it is inappropriate.

moderated Re: Visible Phone service

old_b4_my_time
 

Most people try to be more coy with advertising.   For example there was a recent post discussing what all phone plans are "hot" at the moment.   Had you appended to that post, I am guessing it would not have been interpreted as a blatant ad and clogging up the "help line".   I do see the point however if for example, since everyone who owns a RV is likely at some point to have prepared a salad now and then and what if every time someone found a salad spinner on sale they started a new thread?   Today I may find a good deal and post my salad spinner on sale (got one for $5 at Ikea LOL).   Tomorrow someone finds RV toilet tissue at Walmart 2 for 1.   Next day someone finds in the mail that tire detail spray is on sale at Auto Zone .... how far does anyone charged with keeping order allow that thing to go?  How about RV soapy wash on sale?  How about tire covers, vacuum cleaners or bags, soft and hard bristle brushes, easy to wash and manage dish towels, a dish drainer, a shoe hanger, sun visor extensions, polarized sunglasses, lift blocks, cupboard liners, tool bags, compressor accessories, et. etc etc.  
--
Don - 2006 Navion J
moderated Re: Visible Phone service

David Harper
 

This sort of repartee is exactly the reason I find this group difficult to follow.  Speaking of "Rules", I must admit I have not read them, nor do I know where they are.  My bad!

2008 VJ

On Nov 23, 2020, at 10:31 AM, lesdiane <lesdiane@...> wrote:

Please show me in the rules where sharing "group deals" is inappropriate. Everyone in the group shares the benefit equally, so if anything I should be thanked rather than chastised. If you can't point out where I violated rules, then perhaps you should rethink your posts, especially if they are critical. I expected a thank you - certainly not your post (or Mike's).

moderated Re: Visible Phone service

Bob
 

I consider it perfectly fine to reach out to others in the group to share RV / Travel related savings and group plans. I have enjoyed the savings purchasing TPMS, ScanGauge and data plans. I feel it’s the same as recommending roadside emergency services and tire discounts.

I always enjoy the oil specials people post.

It’s easy to hit the trash button if a thread doesn’t apply to one’s interest.

Bob 18G

On Nov 23, 2020, at 10:25, lesdiane <lesdiane@...> wrote:

 You have to be kidding, right? 
I do not work for Visible, Verizon, or any other phone company. How the hell is my post inappropriate?
If I said, "hey folks there is a deal on NAPA oil if we can get 4 people to sign up. Anyone interested?", would that be OK?
I was sharing something that hundreds of View/Navion folks have been talking about for a few years now.

But, then again, you may know more about the rules of this group, so please straighten me out and show me where you think it is inappropriate.